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Christopher Bligh
Sat Aug 16, 14
5:52 AM
Hi Guys..

When I upload some images to a new gallery, the photo turns to a 'yellow tint'. This is a FAR change from the original.
Is there anything that I am missing. I havent changed anything as far as I know.

PLEASE HELP!!

Chris
Tim - PicturesPro.com
admin
Sat Aug 16, 14
7:29 AM
If your images look dull or washed out or a different color after uploading, then they are not in the sRGB colorspace. When saving / exporting photos for the web, you should save them with the sRGB color space. Sytist uses the GD Library to resize & process photos which can't save the color space information plus not all browser will render a color space other than sRGB properly.

Some information on that:

https://fstoppers.com/pictures/adobergb-vs-srgb-3167

If you?re not printing your work often, sRGB is the choice of color space for you. It?ll be the surefire way to guarantee that your photos look great on the web, and still look accurate in print.


http://www.naturephotographers.net/articles1002/mh1002-1.html

Did you ever wonder why images that look perfect in Photoshop appear much less saturated when viewed in a web browser? If you?re using Adobe RGB, Ekta Space, ProPhoto RGB or one of the other large-gamut working spaces the reason is simple; the majority of Web browsers do not implement color management (the exception is Internet Explorer on the Mac). They display images directly to the screen without any adjustment for the image?s color space or your monitor. Since your monitor?s color gamut is smaller than these color spaces, image colors will get compressed to fit within the gamut of your monitor, causing them to appear less saturated

http://photo.net/digital-darkroom-forum/00VgWg
 
 
 
 
 
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Jerry Schrock
Fri May 08, 15
1:46 PM
I save & resize my images to sRGB before I upload them into sytist. I've double checked this to make sure they were the correct color space. My problem is that when they upload through Sytist it strips the sRGB color space from the image & the images on the client pages are too red. I've looked at the image files using an FTP program & notice there is not color space assigned to the images I've loaded. When I take one of these images & reassign the sRGB color space to them they look fine again. What is causing Sytist to strip the color space during the upload?
 
 
 
 
 
Jerry Schrock
Fri May 08, 15
1:59 PM
I've found this also, when on the Site Content, Clients, Photos page. If I click on one of the images, the resulting information page & the Photo Files listed, the original looks correct, the large & small size that are resized are too red.
 
 
 
 
 
Tim - PicturesPro.com
admin
Fri May 08, 15
2:41 PM
I suspect they really aren't getting saved as sRGB. When the photos are processed, it uses the GD library and that's what causes it.

Email me a couple of photos so I can take a look at them and test.
 
 
 
 
 
Tim Grissett, DIA - PicturesPro.com || My Email Address: info@picturespro.com
Jerry Schrock
Fri May 08, 15
4:37 PM
I guarantee they are saved as sRGB. I've double checked. I do all my own printing & am quite familiar with color profiles. They are being stripped of the profile when they are processed through Sytist. I've checked the files that are saved after the processing & they have no profile attached to them after processing in Sytist. I'd be glad to send you the before & after files so you can check them yourself.
 
 
 
 
 
Jerry Schrock
Fri May 08, 15
4:39 PM
Sorry I missed your offer to send you the files in your post. I'll send them now.
 
 
 
 
 
Michael Weeks
Sat May 09, 15
11:00 AM
without a colour profile attached they will still be displayed as sRGB, it is the way the most browsers work
- now if it was Adobe RGB and the profile was removed then there would be an issue - most browsers do not recognise colour spaces

MIke
Ann Teliczan
Sun Aug 07, 16
8:27 PM
Hi Tim,

I'm having the same problem as Jerry - originals look fine, but thumbnails are washed out.

See here: http://anntopia.com/gallery/purchase/gallery-test/

If you download the original image you can see it has a sRGB profile: http://anntopia.com/gallery/sy-photos/2016/08/07/20/large_89e26027f_RepeatRed103.jpg
but the thumbnail doesn't: http://anntopia.com/gallery/sy-photos/2016/08/07/20/small_89e260_RepeatRed103.jpg

Is there anything I can do?
Tim - PicturesPro.com
admin
Mon Aug 08, 16
7:28 AM
I don't see a link to the original .... you have a link to the large photo which is processed.

Here is something else to take note of which I have discovered in the past.

It seems to be a difference between calibrated monitors and non calibrated monitors. Especially look at the last 3 comments on this thread. So if y

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/2682114

Yes, another vote for V2 profiles for web work.

The web is very "backwards" in its color compared to the pro photographer's world. Here is a reality check: I'm a commercial shooter and graphic designer. All of my customers are using and buying professional photography and design services. Excluding the times I'm working for an agency, I can't remember the last time the "buyer" had a calibrated monitor. Sad, but true.

My guess, the web is at least 95% uncalibrated. Those 95% buy very inexpensive monitors, take them to home/work. plug them in and tweak the brightness and contrast level until the Word document they are currently working on looks "good". That is all!

I have on my website and include on all client disks a simple grayscale with instructions that if they can't see all the steps their monitor isn't set up correctly. That helps with the "your pics are too bright/dark" comments, but it does nothing for color accuracy.
All we can do is give them a color profile (sRGB and yes, V2) and hope that in the long run things get better. Will Windows 7 include any sort of color calibration (as Mac does in OSX)? That would help. Will IE ever honor profiles? That would help. Until then, do what you can and learn to live with the (very real) limitations
 
 
 
 
 
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Ann Teliczan
Mon Aug 08, 16
11:10 AM
Thanks for the quick reply!

However, the small image has been stripped of it's sRGB while the large image hasn't. Is there a way to prevent this? If not, is there a workaround? Can I upload small images to use as thumbnails?
Tim - PicturesPro.com
admin
Mon Aug 08, 16
2:28 PM
They look the same to me. Here is a screen shot of the small and large next to each other.
Attached Photos
 
 
 
 
 
Tim Grissett, DIA - PicturesPro.com || My Email Address: info@picturespro.com
Ann Teliczan
Mon Aug 08, 16
6:53 PM
Sorry, Tim, I understand that there is an issue with monitor and browser consistency, but that's not what I'm asking about.

GD library actually does strip the color profile, which makes the issue of inconsistency needlessly worse. I found a script to add the color profiles after GD processes them https://sourceforge.net/projects/jpeg-icc/. Is there any chance that you could add something like this in a future release?
Tim - PicturesPro.com
admin
Tue Aug 09, 16
7:54 AM
I'll make a note to look into that.
 
 
 
 
 
Tim Grissett, DIA - PicturesPro.com || My Email Address: info@picturespro.com
Ann Teliczan
Tue Aug 09, 16
10:20 AM
Thanks!!
Tara Brooks
Mon Oct 24, 16
7:18 AM
Hi, any info on this? I keep uploading my photos and they don't look right in here vs. photoshop and I have all my photos saved as srgb. They are looking yellow/green. Thank you.
Christina Kafkakis
Thu Feb 02, 17
4:55 PM
Me too. Mine look EXTREMELY red compared to the original. Example:
Attached Photos
 
 
 
 
 
Christina Kafkakis
Thu Feb 02, 17
4:56 PM
That's actually even worse! Uploading it here added more red!
 
 
 
 
 
Tim - PicturesPro.com
admin
Fri Feb 03, 17
9:25 AM
Please read my replies on this thread.
 
 
 
 
 
Tim Grissett, DIA - PicturesPro.com || My Email Address: info@picturespro.com
Christina Kafkakis
Fri Feb 03, 17
10:00 AM
All my photos are in the correct color space. Something is happening to them when I upload them. They print fine. I'm on a calibrated monitor, and I have an uncalibrated chromebook. It still is wrong.
 
 
 
 
 
Bill Wells
Mon Feb 27, 17
11:09 AM
look at both images in a browser (IE, chrome, firefox, etc...) and see if you can see a difference.

Looking at an image in photoshop or direct on computer could be quite different from, viewing them in a browser. Are there better ways to store/convert images on the web than what Sytist is using? Maybe. Tim said he was looking at some options. It may be that we are looking at older recommendations and browsers are getting better at color management. I don't have a good answer for that.
Edited Mon Feb 27, 17 7:02 PM by Bill Wells
 
 
 
 
 
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